Wider wheel/tire setup for the S13 (Track Usage)

[veilside180sx]

I say Option 2, but Option 3 is very nice too=)

[McCoy]

I say Option 2, but Option 3 is very nice too=) I do like this option, I guess I'll have a better idea after this weekend...

[AceInHole]

Option 2. 5 lug is for winners!

[turtl631]

It really depends how much clearance you gain in front. I hear you on not wanting to go staggered, as I don't really want to either, but I think I might eventually. 275/40 is a pretty tall tire and could be a bit of an issue in front unless you run the car pretty high. I just know that my 245/40s in front rubbed in several places before I removed the fender lines and pounded out a few areas of my wheelwells. But, my car is a little low than I'd like ideally. 275 all around should be plenty of meat, but more tire never hurts :) My next set will probably be 255/40 NT01s on my current 17x9 +17 wheels, or some used R comps in the same size if I'm able to find a set. 275 is a possibility only if I get some Konis on there and the custom brackets give me a decent bit more clearance. For reference, my wheels are probably less than 10mm from my coilovers now, so a 17x10 + 25 would be 4mm closer, not leaving much margin for error (or tire sidewalls bulging/flexing).

[McCoy]

275/40 is a pretty tall tire and could be a bit of an issue in front unless you run the car pretty high. I just know that my 245/40s in front rubbed in several places before I removed the fender lines and pounded out a few areas of my wheelwells. But, my car is a little low than I'd like ideally. The 275/40/17 is .7" taller than my current tires... 225/45/17's. Split the .7" and the tire will sit .35" above my current setup, not to bad.... especially since I won't be going that low. For reference, my wheels are probably less than 10mm from my coilovers now, so a 17x10 + 25 would be 4mm closer, not leaving much margin for error (or tire sidewalls bulging/flexing). Actually, the 17x10 +25 would sit 20mm more inward than a 17x9 +17 wheel... you need to take into account for the difference in offset (8mm) + 1/2" (12mm), since the 10" wheel is 1" wider. I'm pretty sure I'll need to use a spacer, how much, I'm not sure yet.

[turtl631]

You're totally right, I've been studying too much lately, brain is fried. I subtracted 8 from 12 instead of adding them. I thought that seemed odd, lol. Spacers will definitely be needed unless the new brackets add a LOT of clearance. Eh, 275/40/17 is a pretty common size, I say do what it takes to run those and then you'll have more options for used tires, or even just different new tires. You could also go 5 lug and look into the 18" options available (generally a few more different wide tires that aren't super tall, i.e. 265/35, 275/35, 285/30, 295/30), but that gets a lot more expensive fast.

[Invisible_Saddle]

work wheels makes 2-3 styles of wheels in 4lug sizes. XD-7 and XT-9 17x9 and 17x10 i think. even up into 18-ch sizing.

[McCoy]

work wheels makes 2-3 styles of wheels in 4lug sizes. XD-7 and XT-9 17x9 and 17x10 i think. even up into 18-ch sizing. I searched and can't really find these easily available. Also, the prices are not in my price range for a track wheel. Actually for less I could get a lighter Enkei RP-F1's wheel and go 5lug. These are track wheels, so I'd prefer to keep cost within reason and go with a wheel that's easy to replace in short notice. The FN wheels have proven to be a good track wheel at a reasonable price, especially for a 17x9 or 17x10 : -)

[turtl631]

The FNs are definitely a good deal. The 315/35/17 on a 17x10 seems like it would be really crammed on there, but with what autocrossers do, you never know. GRM had a tire test article recently and tried to run 285/30/18 on an 18x8" wheel. It worked for 3 tires, but the Kumho V710 buckled and wouldn't mount up. Of course, that wheel is at least 1" narrower than the recommended for any of those tires.

[AceInHole]

GRM had a tire test article recently and tried to run 285/30/18 on an 18x8" wheel. It worked for 3 tires, but the Kumho V710 buckled and wouldn't mount up. Of course, that wheel is at least 1" narrower than the recommended for any of those tires. Amateurs :P http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/AceInHole/IMAGE_00212.jpg Hoosier A3S05 285/30/R18 on 18x8" vs Kumho V710 285/30/R18 on 18x8" Right now the same wheels have Hoosier A6's mounted on them, 285/30/R18 up front and (what's left of) 295/30/R18 in back. The 295's popped on like they were meant to fit those wheels. It's too bad Hoosier doesn't have a 305/30/R18, because I'd be dumb enough to give that a shot :P If only the Shelby didn't ruin FS class.....

[a_ahmed]

245/40/17 on 17x9+20 rubs a lil.. 17x9+15 255/40/17 is fine however.... 275/40/17 is really tall and well... the only one i knew of that ran that on an s13 front is pdm's don he ran 5zigen's fn 17x10 +12 with a 8mm spacer of sorts. He said 17x10+4 is ideal in one discussion as well... and... it wasn't that easy he said that he had to do alot of banging to get these to fit lol... His rears now i think are 315/40/17... Anyways thats all i remember, they've changed their car constantly though, last time i saw the car it was sporting some CCW wheels which looked like 18s... I was contemplating 18x10+4 from CCW 275/35/18 (less tall than a 17 but still taller) or 285/30/18 (pretty much perfect...) and possibly 18x11 in the rear with a 315/30/18.... im saving money for an ls1 though haha... cars are such a costly hobby..

[AceInHole]

I was contemplating 18x10+4 from CCW 275/35/18 (less tall than a 17 but still taller) or 285/30/18 (pretty much perfect...) and possibly 18x11 in the rear with a 315/30/18.... im saving money for an ls1 though haha... cars are such a costly hobby.. With the 8611's I have now, I'm clearing fine with an 18x10 +20 that has 285/30/R18's. I'd HIGHLY recommend the 285's over the 275's, since you'll have more clearance everywhere. I ran 275/40/R17's before, and they rubbed and hit pretty much everything. For the rear with a 315 I'd go 18x12. I've got 6.75" backspacing, with TONS of clearance inboard. I think 7.25" or 7.75" would be perfect. jrho runs 8" backspace with a small spacer to clear the unibody on his S13 with 12.5" wheels. Here's some pics to give you an idea on fitment of the 18x10's and 18x12's: http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/AceInHole/Panda/GA%20Tour/_DSC0771.jpg http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/AceInHole/Panda/GA%20Tour/_DSC0767.jpg Narrowing up the rear would probably help me a lot.... but with lots of throttle steer the rear drives narrower than it actually is, and it seems easier to plant the rear with the wider track.

[McCoy]

245/40/17 on 17x9+20 rubs a lil.. 17x9+15 255/40/17 is fine however.... 275/40/17 is really tall and well... the only one i knew of that ran that on an s13 front is pdm's don he ran 5zigen's fn 17x10 +12 with a 8mm spacer of sorts. I guess this really shows how the suspension/alignment play a big part on how much tire you can run on the front of an S13 also. I talked to Steve Hoagland (Sp?) yesterday and he is running 275/40/17 V710's up front on a 17x9 +20 with no spacers and just the 30mm fiberglass fenders. He's also running a 295/35 R6 hoosiers on 17x10 +35 wheels in the back with just a roll and a big pull. I was contemplating 18x10+4 from CCW 275/35/18 (less tall than a 17 but still taller) or 285/30/18 (pretty much perfect...) and possibly 18x11 in the rear with a 315/30/18.... im saving money for an ls1 though haha... cars are such a costly hobby.. After seeing the pricing on CCW, I don't think I'll ever be owning a set. Watch this statement come around to bite me on the a** : -). The pricing on 18" wheels/tires is going to keep me from going this route... unless I win the lottery or Kaori gives me a bigger budget each month to pull from.

[turtl631]

This is a great thread. If 18x10 +20 with 285s is clearing up front, the custom brackets must really add some clearance. Do you buy new tires aceinhole? I'd love to step up to some wide 18s, but the cost for wide 18" r comps is pretty prohibitive. Being able to find used ones at a discount would help a lot.

[AceInHole]

The pricing on 18" wheels/tires is going to keep me from going this route... unless I win the lottery or Kaori gives me a bigger budget each month to pull from. Tell her if she loans you the money for tires, and you lose your next race, you'll quit racing forever :P (Bad Initial D reference).

[AceInHole]

This is a great thread. If 18x10 +20 with 285s is clearing up front, the custom brackets must really add some clearance. Do you buy new tires aceinhole? I'd love to step up to some wide 18s, but the cost for wide 18" r comps is pretty prohibitive. Being able to find used ones at a discount would help a lot. It depends on what I'm buying tires for. The ones I use regionally are pretty much always used, but for Tours/ Pro's I've been using newer tires with maybe a dozen runs at most.

[McCoy]

Forgot to post up these #'s today. The Koni's are on in the front and I took measurement from the inner tire to coilover, I wasn't able to get the perch above the tire with a 6" spring sorry to say. With a 225/45/17 RE-01R on a 17x7.5, +35 wheel, I have 22mm of clearance between the tire/coilover. This means that a 17x9, +20 wheel with a 255/40/17 (taking a guess that tire sidewall's stick out about the same) tire will have 15mm of clearance from tire/coilovers. And if I was to run a 17x10, +25 wheel with a 275/40/17 (same principals as applied above) tire will have -9MM clearance between tire/coilover... So I would need at least a 10mm spacer up front

[turtl631]

Hm, the S14 must be a little different, as AceInHole mentioned that his 18x10 +20 with 285/30 clear fine. Too bad you weren't able to get the spring above the tire. That would really help, although you would need a pretty damn short spring.

[a_ahmed]

Don't the 18" and 17" rims differ in inside tire/wheel clearance... if you get what i mean... furthermore if I'm not mistaken... an s14 has 10mm more space, I've heard this a couple of times, never verified... as I don't have one... but it would make sense as so many s14s run on average 10mm~ more positive offset than an s13..similarly... S13s always go on the low offset side.. I'm sure something can be done about that. One time I also read a guy used front s14 arms... and he said that it was effectively like 10mm of extra space... I don't know though just what I heard and read...

[veilside180sx]

Don't the 18" and 17" rims differ in inside tire/wheel clearance... if you get what i mean... furthermore if I'm not mistaken... an s14 has 10mm more space, I've heard this a couple of times, never verified... as I don't have one... but it would make sense as so many s14s run on average 10mm~ more positive offset than an s13..similarly... S13s always go on the low offset side.. I'm sure something can be done about that. One time I also read a guy used front s14 arms... and he said that it was effectively like 10mm of extra space... I don't know though just what I heard and read... If you use the LCA you have to use the upright as well, because the ball joint taper is different between the S14 and S13.

[McCoy]

Being someone that always looks for good deals, I think I found the wheel/tire package that I've been wanting and will hopefully lock in on them tonight after a phone call. They are 5lug 17x9 +35 FN's with 275/40/17 RA-1's on them already. The +35 is perfect for the back of the S13 with a 275 width tire, which will require me to possible only roll the fenders. For the front, I'll probably need a 10mm spacer, which is fine and use 30mm overfenders for sure. With the sale of my CE-28N's and having to purchase Z32 NA rear 5lugs and some Ichiba 5lug fronts, I should break even on the deal.

[turtl631]

I think I saw those for sale. Good deal. Too bad you're going from CE28s to FNs, but you won't notice/care when you're in the car, and that's what counts :) Front clearance will be interesting. You probably won't be able to get anywhere near full lock, but I'm sure it will be perfectly fine for any kind of track driving.

[McCoy]

I think I saw those for sale. Good deal. Too bad you're going from CE28s to FNs, but you won't notice/care when you're in the car, and that's what counts :) They were on FA.com, and are now mine... I was able to knock an addition $100 off the sale to seal the deal for me. This does mean I will be converting to 5lug. Luckily, mysr20.com is doing a pretty good deal on the Ichiba 5lug hubs, $425 shipped. The CE28's only being 7.5" wide was the main issue. Also, for track wheels, I'd rather keep them on the easily replacable side :). Front clearance will be interesting. You probably won't be able to get anywhere near full lock, but I'm sure it will be perfectly fine for any kind of track driving. Probably same issue I had with 225 hoosier on the sentra... luckily on track, I never have to turn the wheel that far (180 degrees at most) even for the tightest 2nd gear turns.

[a_ahmed]

post some pix :)

[McCoy]

post some pix :) They won't be shipping till next week, but here is a picture from the guys gallery. http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2016/2071706643_515955d002_o.jpg

[SOneThreeCoupe]

You won't fit 275s and +25. There definitely isn't enough inboard clearance with 99% of coilovers, although I'm not sure what you're running. I had to run +10 offset with my 245/40R17 AD07s on 17x9s in order to clear my coilovers. Big tires on small wheels is fine and dandy if you're on an autocross course but for the track 275 is just too wide for a 9, IMO. Feel is lacking. 275/40 is GIGANTIC... almost an inch taller than a 285/30 in a chassis that doesn't have much room to begin with. Also, I don't trust Ichiba but that's just me. They work fine for some people, and they die almost instantly for others. I just trusted American and Japanese quality and left it at that. If you want big (over 245) rubber, you NEED to go with 18" wheels. If you want cheap but good, there's only one choice: Enkei RPF01 18x10.5 +15. That way you can slap anything from a 255 to a 295 on there and be a happy camper as far as overall diameter goes.

[turtl631]

Or 18x10.5 +30 NT03+M :) Enkei really rocks for huge, light, affordable wheels for these cars.

[McCoy]

You won't fit 275s and +25. There definitely isn't enough inboard clearance with 99% of coilovers, although I'm not sure what you're running. I'm running Richards custom housings with Koni 8610 inserts, his housings were designed to give more inboard clearance so I can do this.. From the measurements that I've taken, It should be able to fit with a 10mm spacer easily. Big tires on small wheels is fine and dandy if you're on an autocross course but for the track 275 is just too wide for a 9, IMO. Feel is lacking. 275/40 is GIGANTIC... almost an inch taller than a 285/30 in a chassis that doesn't have much room to begin with. I agree that the fitment isn't perfect, I would have liked to use a 10" wheel, but was afraid of inner clearance issues. A 275/40 is large, but to wide for a 9" wheel, I think not. This exact setup has successfully been used by others... a good example is Steve HoglandsS13 (http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=169277). Also, most all of our local race teams ran huge tires on small wheels and did fine. As for the lack of feeling, I don't know about that... at least I never noticed this in my 4 years of experimenting on track. I've ran wider tires on my sentra, 205/50, 225/45, and 225/50 hoosiers (9.8" sectional width for the 225 hoosiers) on 15x7 wheels. The only difference that I could notice between a 205 and a 225 width hoosiers was how much faster I was through the turns. http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/data/715/medium/hoosier_team_dynamic_combo.jpg With a wider tire I will have the ability to brake later and harder, run longer sessions before overheating the tires, and get more life out of the tires period... that was the goal of going with a larger tire. Also, I don't trust Ichiba but that's just me. They work fine for some people, and they die almost instantly for others. I just trusted American and Japanese quality and left it at that. I don't either, but will give them the benefit of the doubt for now. I will be inspecting these quite often. If you want big (over 245) rubber, you NEED to go with 18" wheels. If you want cheap but good, there's only one choice: Enkei RPF01 18x10.5 +15. That way you can slap anything from a 255 to a 295 on there and be a happy camper as far as overall diameter goes. You don't need to go 18"s to run over a 245... what about a 255/40/17?!? Cost a heck of alot less than any 18" wide tire also. Going to an 18" wheel/tire setup just ain't going to happen for me. I have a budget and going to 18's is just to costly. 255/40 and 275/40 17's in RA-1, Nitto, and most race tires are cost effective and will work fine for my track days and driving schools. Tires are consumables, just like the track pads and rotors. Add in a couple hundred per event, 3-4 tanks of gas for the day, plus the wear from the above 3 items and you'll start to understand why I'm going this route. I'm not cheap, just trying to maximize the amount of seat time I can get per year and keep the wife from killing me.

[SOneThreeCoupe]

I'm running Richards custom housings with Koni 8610 inserts, his housings were designed to give more inboard clearance so I can do this.. From the measurements that I've taken, It should be able to fit with a 10mm spacer easily. That gives me hope of fitting 18x12 up front, then. I agree that the fitment isn't perfect, I would have liked to use a 10" wheel, but was afraid of inner clearance issues. A 275/40 is large, but to wide for a 9" wheel, I think not. This exact setup has successfully been used by others... a good example is Steve HoglandsS13 (http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=169277). Also, most all of our local race teams ran huge tires on small wheels and did fine. 17x10 +10 would fit easily if 17x9 +25 will. Unless you're limited by class, running the widest wheels possible is good. I know that most local racers run big rubber on small wheels, but if you look at ALMS/FIA racers you'll notice that they don't bulge. Why limit yourself to local when you can go global? :-P You don't need to go 18"s to run over a 245... what about a 255/40/17?!? Cost a heck of alot less than any 18" wide tire also. Going to an 18" wheel/tire setup just ain't going to happen for me. I have a budget and going to 18's is just to costly. 255/40 and 275/40 17's in RA-1, Nitto, and most race tires are cost effective and will work fine for my track days and driving schools. It's all about the height. 255/40R17 and 275/40R17 are extremely tall and limit clearance everywhere.

[McCoy]

17x10 +10 would fit easily if 17x9 +25 will. Unless you're limited by class, running the widest wheels possible is good. Yeah, but a 17x10 +10 with a 275 width tire would require more work in the rear to fit than I wanted to deal with just now. A 275 on a 10" wheel will have a wider sectional width than a 275 on a 9" wheel too. I know that most local racers run big rubber on small wheels, but if you look at ALMS/FIA racers you'll notice that they don't bulge. Why limit yourself to local when you can go global? :-P You going to sponsor me ; -) It's all about the height. 255/40R17 and 275/40R17 are extremely tall and limit clearance everywhere. a 275/40 is tall, agreed... a 255/40 is about right. Are you talking clearances at a normal ride height or slammed? Sidewall is a good thing also, protects wheels from damage, especially when the track you frequent has sections that are to easy to have one-wheel offs... the one's that like to eat wheels. This is my current ride height and what it will probably stay at for sometime. http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/data/959/medium/koni_front_install_ride_height.jpg

[turtl631]

275.40 is indeed tall, but 255/40 is usually stock height- 25". This is essentially the height of most 265/35 and 285/30 tires as well. Those are about as short as it gets for 18" race tires. I've never seen an aspect ratio under 30 or any tire narrower than a 285 with a 30 aspect ratio. Common R comp 18" sizes are 265/35, 275/35, 275/40, 285/30, 295/30, 305/30, 305/35, 315/30, etc. And those crazy 245/35 V710s :) I hear you about the wide wheels for a given tire size. Maybe not practical, but surely ideal. Jason Rhoades did that- he had his front 285s on a 18x11. Definitely not bulging at all. What size tire would you be putting on 18x12 fronts? Weight of huge R comps is pretty high, another factor to keep in mind. 305 front sound cool until you realize they're adding 5+ lbs each.

[ramm]

As for CCW goes, i talked with some of the guys from AMS. And well they wouldn't recommend doing business again with them. They used some CCW's on their Time Attack Evo VIII if anyone didn't knoww. And now they rock RPF1's FTW.

[turtl631]

What was their complaint with CCW? Other than the wheels costing a ton and weighing a lot, of course :) But they are gorgeous and come in basically unlimited sizes. That makes up for weight/cost in some cases. But not when 18x10.5 Enkeis are available for ~$300 each.

[McCoy]

Yeah, CCW's starting prices are in the $2400 range for a set of wheels, not in my budget :). I've ran RP-F1's on my sentra before and enjoyed them, especially for the price/weight/strength factor.

[turtl631]

A lot of Evo time attack cars are using RPF1s and NT03s, too. I'm guessing these guys aren't scrimping either- clearly they're a great option for a wide, light track wheel.

[veilside180sx]

Enkei's MAT technology is great. They are relatively cheap, lightweight, strong and look good.=) I've had Enkei's on every one of my cars at one point or another. There are good reasons I always come back to them.=)

[ramm]

Im selling my set of Advan Kreuzer V's to get a set of RPF1's, this is mainly because they're 7.5fronts and 8.0 rear on an 18 inch. Not my cup of tea, i would rather get a 17 inch, with a wider option, preferably 9.5 or 10, depending. Tell me when the FS section is up so i could post these here, or if you guys know anyone that wants them, i'll sell them for cheap..Anyway sorry for that rant well after i posted a thread to the local AMS guys, since i also on MWIR, which AMS employees are frequent members/sponsors..Eric aka STAMPY wrote this to me They are Nazi's about price. we really didnt get any kind of a discount on them at all. I dont see us ordering any more any time soon. and also the fact that they are heavy are deciding factors when considering CCW for your next wheel purchase. Note that the AMS TA car, is VERY competitive in Red Line Time Attacks, so Enkei RPF1's must be special in their opinion.

[veilside180sx]

It's special in the fact that it's the cheapest lightweight STRONG wheel on the market.=) Other than that...I don't think Justin really cares. (he's their fab guy)

[SOneThreeCoupe]

I agree, 17x10 +10 would be hard to fit out back, but 5Zigen also makes a 17x10 +35 that would fit the rear with a roll and pull. I could sponsor you, McCoy, but only if you need massive amounts of Porsche license plate frames. Other than that I'm probably just as lacking in the funds department as you are, but I have big plans. The difference between 255/40 and 245/40 is only .3" but that's a big difference for S13s, IMHO. I've shredded a couple 245/40s on the framerails while running +10. I want to do the 18x12 just to show it can be done, essentially. I'll probably just stick with 18x11s or 18x11.5s and 285s or 295s up front, provided I can get them up to temp. That said, 295s aren't heavier than 285s according to Yokohama, and their 315s are only 3lbs/tire heavier. Whether or not the improvement would be worth 3lbs/tire and 2-3lbs/wheel is the real question to be asked. The best thing about multi-piece wheels like the CCWs and Kodiaks is that the barrels are easily replaceable and cheaper than replacing something else that is comparably strong. If the customers' only complaint is that they don't get a discount, that's telling you something. Can you imagine having to wait 3+ months for your replacement CE28? That thought scares me. Maybe I should just sell my CEs and TEs and buy 18x10.5 Enkeis. NT03s have poor offset in 18x10.5. +30 is great for the rear but would require a big spacer up front. Edit: Is the second from left RA1 toast? Looks like it's missing a big chunk.

[McCoy]

I agree, 17x10 +10 would be hard to fit out back, but 5Zigen also makes a 17x10 +35 that would fit the rear with a roll and pull. Yes they do make a 17x10 +35, but my goal is to be able to rotate front/rear... when you start doing 8-12 track days per year you'll understand where I'm coming from. The difference between 255/40 and 245/40 is only .3" but that's a big difference for S13s, IMHO. I've shredded a couple 245/40s on the framerails while running +10. For track days you typically are not turning the wheel that far, if you are... then there are other issues. I guess I'll see what issues I run into once I get everything here and start test fitting it all. I want to do the 18x12 just to show it can be done, essentially. I'll probably just stick with 18x11s or 18x11.5s and 285s or 295s up front, provided I can get them up to temp. That said, 295s aren't heavier than 285s according to Yokohama, and their 315s are only 3lbs/tire heavier. Whether or not the improvement would be worth 3lbs/tire and 2-3lbs/wheel is the real question to be asked. If you can't get tires up to temp on track, then 'A' your not pushing the car that hard in the braking zones and corners, 'B' the car is not setup right to allow you to maximize braking and corner speeds, or 'C' you need to go down to a softer tire that takes less heat to be sticky... like an autocross tire. The best bet is to find the happy medium... The best thing about multi-piece wheels like the CCWs and Kodiaks is that the barrels are easily replaceable and cheaper than replacing something else that is comparably strong. If the customers' only complaint is that they don't get a discount, that's telling you something. I drive a 240 for a reason, I have less into my car and parts than my friends have in just parts in there nice EVO's and STI's... Can you imagine having to wait 3+ months for your replacement CE28? That thought scares me. Maybe I should just sell my CEs and TEs and buy 18x10.5 Enkeis. Never bought them to be a track wheel, more of a street setup... of course my goals changed after doing a few track days. Edit: Is the second from left RA1 toast? Looks like it's missing a big chunk. looks like the tire picked up some extra rubber off the track... my RE-01R's always look like that after a track day. http://www.prmsg.org/albums/album83/june_fatt_re01r_wear.sized.jpg

[McCoy]

Santa came early this year... and dressed like the fedex man!!! Ichiba hubs courtesy of R&D Factory on Zilvia... http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/data/959/medium/ichiba_5lug_hubs.jpg 17x9 et35 5zigens wrapped in 275/40/17 RA-1's http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/data/959/medium/5zigens_ra1.jpg They look worn, but from what I've seen these have many track days left in them... and that's a good 10" of usable tread too! http://www.sr20forum.com/gallery/data/959/medium/ra1_life.jpg

[veilside180sx]

Hot diggity. Those tires have lots of wear in them still.