Custom Koni 8611 Struts

[McCoy]

Very nice... can't wait to have a pair of these on the front of the 240!!!

[veilside180sx]

Very nice... can't wait to have a pair of these on the front of the 240!!! For that matter I can't wait to get some on the race car either.=)

[veilside180sx]

Very nice... can't wait to have a pair of these on the front of the 240!!! and here yours are...well before they left for the powdercoaters... http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1148.preview.JPG http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1145.preview.JPG http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1144.preview.JPG

[McCoy]

Ahhh, your just teasing me now ;)

[veilside180sx]

Ahhh, your just teasing me now ;) Why...yes...yes I am. lol

[turtl631]

Jeez, that's nice. Are the springs and perches sourced from GC? I would love a setup like this, but I think still being on stock KA power is a more pressing concern. Tweaking DA dampers would be hell too, I need more experience to be able to have any degree of success doing that.

[veilside180sx]

The springs and perches are sourced from Ground Control, but you can use others as well. Dampers still go a long ways even on an underpowered vehicle. With good tires and proper suspension on it you should basically be able to drive flat out pretty much all the time. Jeez, that's nice. Are the springs and perches sourced from GC? I would love a setup like this, but I think still being on stock KA power is a more pressing concern. Tweaking DA dampers would be hell too, I need more experience to be able to have any degree of success doing that.

[oracle_wmd]

[quote=veilside180sx]The springs and perches are sourced from Ground Control, but you can use others as well. Dampers still go a long ways even on an underpowered vehicle. With good tires and proper suspension on it you should basically be able to drive flat out pretty much all the time. Werd

[turtl631]

My track car is also my street car and dampers do nothing to make it more fun to drive around town though. I have Stance coilovers too, which for sure aren't the greatest, but they'll do for now. Stock KA power won't :)

[veilside180sx]

i beg to differ in that department. My Koni's with springs rates that are more stiff than your Stance's...ride considerably better on the street. (they also handle better=) My track car is also my street car and dampers do nothing to make it more fun to drive around town though. I have Stance coilovers too, which for sure aren't the greatest, but they'll do for now. Stock KA power won't :)

[2Fass240us]

Monty, I'm game for these down the road when I am able to outdrive my AGX's or they die, whichever's first.

[veilside180sx]

Over the next month I should have about 10 complete sets ready to go...which = no waiting=) For the S13 I'll be setting them up 8611 F/ 8610 R (but you can easily opt for an 8611 in the rear as well.

[McCoy]

Monty, I'm game for these down the road when I am able to outdrive my AGX's or they die, whichever's first. I actually prefer my AGX's on the Sentra (at the proper ride height) to the Silkroad coilovers I have on the car right now. The only issue that I had with the AGX's for the S13 was that you couldn't lower the car at all and the aftermarket springs were not stiff enough for my liking. Richard... don't forget the 8610F/8610R combo for the S13 ; -)

[veilside180sx]

Ok, ok...you can opt down for the 8610/8610 setup too=)

[veilside180sx]

How they looked before it started.=) http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1267.preview.JPG Here's a few tubes freshly cut (but not cleaned up) and getting ready to make their way to the machinest to be threaded. http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1270.preview.JPG This is what the wood was there for as well... http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1271.preview.JPG

[veilside180sx]

Here's the actual batch that went off to the machinest. Soon enough I'll have enough so it's kind of an off the shelf item, which means no waiting. I think it works out better for both parties that way. http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1283.preview.JPG The taller ones are the S14 rears to be used with Z32 mounts (for a certain unnamed individual...cough..PJ...cough) http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1282.preview.JPG

[2Fass240us]

The taller ones are the S14 rears to be used with Z32 mounts (for a certain unnamed individual) Oh cool, this reminded me that I have some Z32 aluminum uprights that will need to be incorporated into my next suspension build. :)

[AceInHole]

Aaaaargh! If only I didn't have to have my car running by October 7!! Whatev... I'll just rebuild the rear end when these are finished! Hopefully I can bump up my front springrate 50-100lbs when these are done, too :D

[veilside180sx]

The lower mounts should be in by next Friday...and the 8610's potentially could if I order them on Monday. The powdercoaters will take a couple of days as well though...so the 7th...just a little too soon unfortunately.

[veilside180sx]

Just picked them all up=) http://nissanroadracing.com/files/images/CIMG1324.preview.JPG

[AceInHole]

I'm almost afraid.... the temptation to up my front springrates 50lbs is RIGHT there with those rears.....

[veilside180sx]

You know you wanna......=P

[AceInHole]

I want to.... but does my ass/ body + 1000 miles to GA want to.....

[veilside180sx]

Front flanges will be here in about 2 wks from today...maybe a couple of days sooner. I have everything else at this point to get this run going.

[AceInHole]

Front flanges will be here in about 2 wks from today...maybe a couple of days sooner. I have everything else at this point to get this run going. Any possibility of giving the S13 guys tabbed washers to go with the 14mm slots? With the larger bolt holes up front you could probably make a flanged insert with a small tab to flip around as a 2 position, but I suppose that might be overkill. You could just weld on two rails and stick an eccentric washer between them, which would give you more adjustment on the bottom. With more adjustment down low you could flip the camber plates around into caster plates, which I'm surprised not many S-chassis owners do.

[veilside180sx]

Haven't decided on that yet, just figured i get the slots in there first and go from there. For the camber plates...I don't remember about the S chassis, but the B chassis is not a perfect triangle. The front stud is a longer distance which means you can't rotate it, but can't remember if the S chassis is the same way.

[AceInHole]

Haven't decided on that yet, just figured i get the slots in there first and go from there. For the camber plates...I don't remember about the S chassis, but the B chassis is not a perfect triangle. The front stud is a longer distance which means you can't rotate it, but can't remember if the S chassis is the same way. I'm pretty sure the S-chassis is triangular. I suppose I should take a look, otherwise I'll need some custom camber plates :(

[veilside180sx]

The camber plates are pretty easy to make, I have them all drawn up...but I need to get some quotes on having them done. They'll be camber and caster adjustable. Haven't decided on that yet, just figured i get the slots in there first and go from there. For the camber plates...I don't remember about the S chassis, but the B chassis is not a perfect triangle. The front stud is a longer distance which means you can't rotate it, but can't remember if the S chassis is the same way. I'm pretty sure the S-chassis is triangular. I suppose I should take a look, otherwise I'll need some custom camber plates :(

[turtl631]

Very nice, my scheming continues. The costs definitely add up in the end, even for just 8610s all around. I wish I had done this originally instead of buying coilovers, or even just set up some koni yellows.

[veilside180sx]

Very nice, my scheming continues. The costs definitely add up in the end, even for just 8610s all around. I wish I had done this originally instead of buying coilovers, or even just set up some koni yellows. Trust me, if you drove a set though...you'd find a way to justify it.

[AceInHole]

Very nice, my scheming continues. The costs definitely add up in the end, even for just 8610s all around. I wish I had done this originally instead of buying coilovers, or even just set up some koni yellows. I had Koni Yellows with Eibach Sportlines back in the day (before "coilovers" were common). I wish I knew enough to get GC's instead of D2's :(. Right now with the half yellow (rear), half 8611 (fronts) I'm just amazed at how much more grip, comfort, and control I have. I never realized it till I started driving the "new" car around, as on my old car I never had a chance to really tweak in the alignment. Just coming up an on-ramp, you can tell how planted the car is, even with 600/ 450# springs that would just toss the car around with other dampers. DA rears make me giddy.... almost as giddy as the sweet deal for DA Koni's I got for my G35 :)

[McCoy]

PJ, I noticed the suspension alot more NA... with boost now, I don't have time to think about it, at least on the track. I'm hoping that will change once I get the Koni setup on... which by the way should be shipping today!!! 8610's all the way around is going to be a great budget setup, IMHO. Driving on the Silkroads is not that much fun... especially after driving in Richards B14.

[turtl631]

Please post all about it, I can't wait to see how you like it. That's what I'll probably end up with as well. I've been in a few different cars with nice suspensions that just seemed to be so smooth and offer so much more grip from street tires than my car. Best was probably an E36 2 door with some DA konis and Hankook RS2s. I had no idea street tires could stick that well. For reference, that car with a mild 2.5L inline 6 was keeping up with an American Iron Fox body stang with a ~300 whp motor and 295 V710s all around. Even out-tired and out-motored, it turned similar times due to incredible cornering grip (and braking).

[veilside180sx]

Update: I received my flanges...to find out they are the wrong material. So I'm waiting for the replacement ones to come in the correct material. I'm also having upper bolts for the Tein camber plates so they will be a bolt on affair, rather than the charade poor Monty went through.=) They are the cheapest and most easily available camber plates, so i will recommend for people to run them.

[turtl631]

I'm not really sure what you're saying here- what are you getting made for the Tein plates that will facilitate their use? Also, did you give up on the idea of making your own caster/camber plates?

[veilside180sx]

I'm not really sure what you're saying here- what are you getting made for the Tein plates that will facilitate their use? Also, did you give up on the idea of making your own caster/camber plates? It's not a matter of giving up...it's a matter of re-evaluating. I can just as easily have a new aluminum plate made that will fit the Tein's and accomplish the caster adjustment, so that someone can't upgrade in the future if they deem it necessary. It will help keep costs down for the end user, which I would like to do as much as possible. I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. The first run of them will be for the 86xx series F/R, and the second run of the nuts will fit the yellow rears so you can run the camber plates w/o any hassle as well.

[turtl631]

Got it, sounds like a good plan. Time to start looking for a deal on some used Tein plates.

[veilside180sx]

Got it, sounds like a good plan. Time to start looking for a deal on some used Tein plates. Don't look too hard. They are pretty cheap even brand new.

[WilloW]

I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you?

[veilside180sx]

I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you? No your not screwed...I have something that will work for yours too=)

[WilloW]

No your not screwed...I have something that will work for yours too=) Kickass man, made my night err morning.

[veilside180sx]

No your not screwed...I have something that will work for yours too=) Kickass man, made my night err morning. =)

[AceInHole]

I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you? What diameter monoball are those plates? I'm guessing 16mm?

[veilside180sx]

I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you? What diameter monoball are those plates? I'm guessing 16mm? Tein are 18mm and Cusco/Project Mu are 20mm

[AceInHole]

I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you? What diameter monoball are those plates? I'm guessing 16mm? Tein are 18mm and Cusco/Project Mu are 20mm That sounds a lot easier to do.... especially since you'll end up with a lot more material for the threads on the insert. It still would've been nice to do a monoball housing type plate, so you can replace worn mounts easily.

[veilside180sx]

I definately agree on having it be rebuildable is very nice. There is nothing to say I can't do it down the road, but I think there are a few other things that take precendence right now. I'm having a top nut made that matches the thread pitch of the Koni and the ID of the Tein bearing, so no sleeves will be necessary. On the bottom there will be a retainer similar to what Cusco offers for the Sentra's. So am I pretty much screwed with the Project mu and Cusco camber plates that I have right now? Would you consider making a few sets in the diameter that I gave you? What diameter monoball are those plates? I'm guessing 16mm? Tein are 18mm and Cusco/Project Mu are 20mm That sounds a lot easier to do.... especially since you'll end up with a lot more material for the threads on the insert. It still would've been nice to do a monoball housing type plate, so you can replace worn mounts easily.

[AceInHole]

*cough LCAs and rears cough*

[veilside180sx]

*cough LCAs and rears cough* Maybe=)

[AceInHole]

rear shocks would be wonderful :p almost as good as getting my engine in :)

[veilside180sx]

rear shocks would be wonderful :p almost as good as getting my engine in :) Just imagine how it would be if you had both=)