Interest in z32 lower shock mount spherical bushings?

[BEXE]

I have been talking with Def, he said if we could 5 people (minimum) to buy in on a set of Z32 lower shock mount spherical bushings they could probably do another run. Who would be interested? I need a set personally!

So if we could get atleast 4 more ppl that would get u's some super ballet goodness!

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[hai1206vn]

post this in Group Buy section.

[PerilousActs]

I'm in. Only thing my knuckles are missing and they're about to get put on the car.

[veilside180sx]

post this in Group Buy section.

Done

[BEXE]

Done


Thanks, sorry I thought that the groupbuy section was only for vendors.

So
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[charles]

Ballpark price on this? I assume this is a set for the z32 alum rear spindles/uprights?

[CodyAce]

Fancy Dancy! Anyone with Z hubs should get these!

http://www.codyace.com/albums/defworks_z32_shock_mount/def_3.sized.jpg

[Def]

Ballpark price on this? I assume this is a set for the z32 alum rear spindles/uprights?

This is just the shock mount bearing. I have a few sets of the toe/traction/camber bearings left over from the last group buy.

I'm calling "my guy" to see what the pricing would be on a small run.

[Matt93SE]

"Your guy" is busy right now, dammit. leave him alone.

Oh.. and while you're at it, I have some other stuff I need him to make. Or you can if you have access to a lathe and can thread some rod stock for me. :)

[Beejis60]

Sign me up.

[BEXE]

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Also I would assume if we get more it could possibly sweeten the deal...?

[Tower240sx]

I wonder why your guy is such a sleep deprived asshole...what about my projects you dirty hippies

[Def]

I wonder why your guy is such a sleep deprived asshole...what about my projects you dirty hippies

It's for the greater good brah. I thought all you commies out in SoCal would be down with that? :p

[Def]

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Also I would assume if we get more it could possibly sweeten the deal...?

More than 5 will definitely help the chances of these actually being made. If machine time is super tight, and the setup is going to be cost/time prohibitive I'm afraid it just won't happen.


Now if you can convince Mike (Tower240SX) to work for free.... Then I think we're cooking... :cool:

[Tower240sx]

I stand out in SoCal like a white hood at a Jay-Z concert, I hardly belong here.

Fuc^ the greater good, I don't like any of you anyways,

[Def]

We only keep you around for your CNC machines and random rants against society, so anyway... enough Dr. Phil couch talk about your feelings, get back to pressing the button. :D

[ITB4ag]

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[BEXE]

Tower, DEF; is there anything you all would like help with? I'm not a machinist, but I can wire, solder, tune, build, etc.

[BAMF_S14]

I finally got a set of z32 uprights, so I would be interested in a set a sphericals. I would like to know how much before I get official and add my name to the list. Count me as number 4 1/2.

I have a few sets of the toe/traction/camber bearings left over from the last group buy.

I might as well get the whole set right? I'm interested in a set of the TTC's as well Def.

[Beejis60]

I have access to lathes and mills.

I can thread too, Matt, but it's a year or more since I've done it...

[CodyAce]

I can think of a few motivational things for Mike, however none of which would please the ATF or the USPS.

[BEXE]

So if the price is right we have 5!

[Def]

Tower, DEF; is there anything you all would like help with? I'm not a machinist, but I can wire, solder, tune, build, etc.

Fly in and build a cage in my S13 Chumpcar and you've got a free set of spherical bearings. Other than that, nah, I'm good. :D

[Def]

I'll talk to Mike about pricing this time around. Raw material prices are shooting up like crazy (thanks Quantitative Easing! :mad:), so we'll have to get a materials quote to know how pricing will change from last group buy ($150 shock mount, $325 toe/traction/camber bearings).

[Matt93SE]

BUY RAW MATERIALS NOW, sell finished parts when prices skyrocket. claim high materials prices. profit.

[BEXE]

Fly in and build a cage in my S13 Chumpcar and you've got a free set of spherical bearings. Other than that, nah, I'm good. :D

Chumpcar FTW! I'll say that I am dreading doing my cage, nothing about taking out all of glass etc. Is going to be fun. Not to mention there's always the joy of general fitment issuses, and whether I'm doing a 6pt or a 10pt...

[Jrocks13]

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I'm in

[Beejis60]

BUY RAW MATERIALS NOW, sell finished parts when prices skyrocket. claim high materials prices. profit.

Great idea.

[BEXE]

That's 5 and a maybe (6)

[a250gpguy]

I'd be interested as well
ch

[Def]

I've been discussing this with Mike (Tower240SX). I have a couple of other projects I'd like to try out before we get started on the rear shock mounts, so the timeline on these is not happening in the very near term.

[Beejis60]

You guys just machine the sleeves and toss in the bearing?

[Matt93SE]

yeah, that's all. I'mma run out to my drill press and make up a few sets real quick. want some?

[Def]

You guys just machine the sleeves and toss in the bearing?

Ahhh... the "just" word. Yep, it's almost that simple... :D

The sleeve/housing and the misalignment bushings are both machined. The sleeves/housings require a few separate operations to make the bearing replaceable. A non-replaceable bearing housing would be easier to make, but Mike and I both feel that it's worth the extra machine and setup time.

[BEXE]

Timeline of when this could be possible?

Thanks for considering it.

[BAMF_S14]

I'm a little relieved cause my bank account is hurting after some recent purchases. A couple months and I won't be a maybe any more.

[Def]

Timeline of when this could be possible?

Thanks for considering it.

No way to commit to anything this far out. There are other projects I'd like to do before these.

I was just letting everybody know they're not at the front of the line in case they urgently bred them.

[Beejis60]

yeah, that's all. I'mma run out to my drill press and make up a few sets real quick. want some?

Ya, I'll take tree fitty.

but Mike and I both feel that it's worth the extra machine and setup time.

Absolutely.

Should keep this thread open and going then unless def and mike don't wanna do more than, say, 10 or something, whenever that time may come.

[Geno]

I'll take a second set when you guys get around to making it. I've acquired a S14 and plan to do Z32 rear uprights to it eventually.

[BEXE]

So that's 7 sets.

[Jrocks13]

And I'll Make #8.

[ericb382]

If it's a couple months out I'll take a set. I'm still getting financially settled from buying a house right now, but definately want in...

[Az24tsx]

I'll be number 9 then

[Beejis60]

Any news on the Skullworks guys accepting our 'offer' now of 9ish people?

[Tower240sx]

same as before, let me get the **** on my plate off my plate and DEF and I will discuss it, we won't leave you guys hanging we just need to decide what we want to do about these

[Def]

Yea, we're not ignoring you guys, it just takes a while to work through this stuff as a "side" project.

I guess we could always charge 30-40% more and have tons of parts availability. What do you guys think about that? :D

[Beejis60]

same as before, let me get the **** on my plate off my plate and DEF and I will discuss it, we won't leave you guys hanging we just need to decide what we want to do about these

Word. Couldn't remember how long it's been since this thread started. Looks like I won't be driving till spring anyway, unless I win the lottery and have 12hrs a day to commit to building...

Yea, we're not ignoring you guys, it just takes a while to work through this stuff as a "side" project.

I guess we could always charge 30-40% more and have tons of parts availability. What do you guys think about that? :D

just as long as it comes with a 30-40% mail in rebate :cool:

[NismoPlsr]

I am in when the time comes.

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7. Geno
8. Az24tsx
9. Nismoplsr
10.BAMF_S14 (maybe)
11.ericb382 (maybe)

[BEXE]

interest bump WOOT!

[PerilousActs]

Yeah, still interested here too. They just have to get caught up with the work backlog I'm sure.

[Def]

Yea, good for Mike's machine shop, but bad for us, is that their aerospace workload is really high right now. Unfortunately those guys that launch hundred million dollar satellites have a few more bucks to throw towards machine time. Not sure who they think they are....



But yea, my thinking is we'll front things ourselves and just have to charge a hair more on the backend instead of keeping things open for so long when the machine shop can't accomodate such a large amount of machining in one go "on the side." It gets to be logistically prohibitive with such long lead times with so many people...

[NismoPlsr]

Bumping this.

It has been a few months and now that the Budget Baller Wilwood kit group buy is complete whats the good word on these?

[Def]

I'll talk to Mike about it and see where he stands. I've got some other projects I'd rather do than revisit the poor selling shock mounts again though, so it probably won't go to the front of the line.

[CodyAce]

But yea, my thinking is we'll front things ourselves and just have to charge a hair more on the backend instead of keeping things open for so long when the machine shop can't accomodate such a large amount of machining in one go "on the side." It gets to be logistically prohibitive with such long lead times with so many people...

That's what I do for the brackets, just as it's easier to have a whole bunch then to wait on a 'per job' basis as the machine shop hates that.

[BEXE]

I've actually be looking into cutting the rear upright; resetting the lower shock mount point and having it set "upright".

I'd still like a set of the spherical bushings though.

[shiftdrift]

I've actually be looking into cutting the rear upright; resetting the lower shock mount point and having it set "upright".

I'd still like a set of the spherical bushings though.

Orlly?

[BEXE]

Ysrly

[shiftdrift]

Believe I looked at yours and said we should do that haha.

[BEXE]

Believe I looked at yours and said we should do that haha.

;-). Also I have an idea on how to make it easy and convenient.

[Black R]

I've actually be looking into cutting the rear upright; resetting the lower shock mount point and having it set "upright".

I'd still like a set of the spherical bushings though.


Cut and reweld or...?

[BEXE]

create a jig; find a good cut point that is repeatable easily; match the grade of aluminum; make a billet wedge; weld in the wedge; shazaam.

Which reminds me anyone know the grade of aluminum that the uprights are made of?

[Def]

Most cast aluminum Nissan stuff (and most stuff in the world) is A356. It's roughly similar to 6061, and weldable.

[shiftdrift]

That's what I figured it was. I've welded plenty of cast aluminum and would feel comfortable Modding it.

[BEXE]

we'll get pics up after the first set is modded.

[Tower240sx]

why would you need a wedge?

I was just gonna drill a dowel pin hole 1/4" diameter through the center of the bushing "race" (like a pin oiling hole in a rod about 1" into the meat of the arm that supports the bushing), section the arm and then pivot the 14ish degrees out about that center hole. this method will prevent any change in the pivot location allow minimal shortening of the lever arm and you can leave an aluminum pin/dowel in the hole if it makes you feel better about the reduced section width.

[BEXE]

I think I understand what you are saying, can you make a picture? Lol. The wedge idea was first thougt; I haven't looked at it and pondered for Long periods; whatever we do it will be easily repeatable and will fix the issue.

[Tower240sx]

I can't draw.

drill a hole thru the big cylinder that holds the bushing and into the arm that supports it on an angle that coincides with the arm's original angle, use this hole as a pivot for realignment so you dont move fore or aft or vertically...

same idea as if you were going to put a turn buckle there to extend or shorten the distance from the shock to the upright...except no threads and you leave it basically the same length (you will lose ~.050 for the kerf of the blade) but you won't upset any of the geometry

[BEXE]

understood; I was going off of memory and thought that the arm needed to be tilted down to make the change, not just cut re-angled and welded. I'll give it a shot; found a spare set of Z32 uprights from a friend that I am going to pick up this weekend. I am going to take pictures, measure the angle possibly tonight if I get time.

[shiftdrift]

Who ended up having some? I still need some! Haha

[Beejis60]

create a jig; find a good cut point that is repeatable easily; match the grade of aluminum; make a billet wedge; weld in the wedge; shazaam.

Which reminds me anyone know the grade of aluminum that the uprights are made of?

Wasn't it matt that was cutting his brake cali mounts and welding on the back side of the upright? IDK if he ever got around to doing it, but I bet he would be a good reference for you.

[BEXE]

A friend had an extra set- We're still pulling that set from that Z in Grade A.

[shiftdrift]

alright sweet. be nice to have a few sets.

[geeitup]

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2. PerilousActs
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4. ITB4ag
5. JRocks13
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7. Geno
8. Az24tsx
9. Nismoplsr
10.BAMF_S14 (maybe)
11.ericb382 (maybe)
12. geeitup

I'm a new guy up in Spokane - Logr is helping me get my car set up. Count me in and thanks!
Vince (geeitup)

[KNerd]

I'd be in for a set of this is still going on

[Def]

Ill see if there is time to get to this. But it doesn't seem like there are 10 firm commitments, so not a top priority now.

[PerilousActs]

<-- very firm.

[ericb382]

I'm on there as a maybe, but I have other issues that are higher priority right now.

[Beejis60]

Ill see if there is time to get to this. But it doesn't seem like there are 10 firm commitments, so not a top priority now.

:confused:

12-2=10

thought you were an engineerson

[Def]

:confused:

12-2=10

thought you were an engineerson

You guys would amazing if all 10 purchased. :)

[BEXE]

I'm definitely in. I will check my local forums: and a few friends who have s14's.

[No Rotr]

If the Defsport boys can get thsese made in the next month or so I'll buy a pair.

[a250gpguy]

I'm definitely in. I will check my local forums: and a few friends who have s14's.

Me too. I'd really like full set of sphericals since my car has none at this time.
Ch

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[Def]

I do have a few extra sets of toe/traction/camber (TTC) bearings for those that are interested! PM me for details.

I will see what's up with the shock mounts.

[Beejis60]

You guys would amazing if all 10 purchased. :)

you would awesome if you made awesome

[Def]

you would awesome if you made awesome

You would smart if you heed budget baller wrath... :mad:



















:D :p

[Beejis60]

I accidentally your wrath...

[No Rotr]

I'm off the list, sorry fellas I couldn't wait any longer. Just ordered some SPL's

[Beejis60]

Hey def, when pressing these in the upright, I noticed that one side of the bearing has a different "face"... one being with an angle on it which is the side opposite of the circlip retainer pictured below:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w91/Beejis69/IMAG0672.jpg


Obviously, the side with the circlip has this sort of straight face:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w91/Beejis69/IMAG0670.jpg


Does it matter which way these faces are facing?

[Def]

Nope, it has about the same ID as the circlip, so articulation is the same either way. Plus the fork of the shock will hit the upright well before all the articulation is used up on the bearing.

I normally put the circlip facing forwards on the car, but it really doesn't matter.

[Beejis60]

Nope, it has about the same ID as the circlip, so articulation is the same either way. Plus the fork of the shock will hit the upright well before all the articulation is used up on the bearing.

I normally put the circlip facing forwards on the car, but it really doesn't matter.

That's what I figured so it seemed like a stupid question, but I wanted to be more than sure.

[NismoPlsr]

I pressed them in with the c-clip facing whatever side I thought would be easiest to replace the bearings with the uprights still attached to the car.

Also, I still need these shock mount sphericals!

[Beejis60]

I pressed them in with the c-clip facing whatever side I thought would be easiest to replace the bearings with the uprights still attached to the car.

Good point. I had mine sitting in dry ice and forgot to bring my gloves to the machine shop when I was working on this so I didn't really think about which direction to throw them in when my hands were on fire.
PS- with dry ice, you can press these in with your bare hands. Makes you feel slightly badass for a moment.

Also, I still need these shock mount sphericals!

I too would like an extra set. Spare parts ftw

[NismoPlsr]

I'll buy two sets to get these made.